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The Inner Moon's avatar

The reason someone like David Chalmers brings up qualia in the first place is not because it necessarily revokes any functional or structural account of our mental activity, but because it shows that the latter cannot be exhaustive of what goes on in the mind. One can have a complete index of red-ness versus green-ness in terms of their respective correlates and mutual differentiation, but you still can't overcome the possibility of my red being your green in terms of qualia. This is also where the possibility of p-zombies comes from, since it seems we should be able to locate this index of correlates in the brain's own structure, making the substrate of qualia appear rather superfluous. The only functionalist argument against p-zombies is that the very fact we started talking about qualia in the first place is not something a p-zombie could have come up with on its own. But otherwise, its existence is entirely compatible with material reality minus the substance we would hold responsible for qualia. But what is this substance, and where is it located? I don't like the idea of vindicating Descartes or Leibniz in these matters, but the only way to overcome their speculations is to find a new way of measuring or even just talking about this substance.

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I never really understand what's going on when people make arguments like this.

I know qualia are not just symbols because they have a mysterious quality accessible only to me which symbols don't have. I appreciate that this is an annoying and unphilosophical thing to say, but the whole problem of consciousness is annoying and unphilosophical. A piece of paper doesn't experience "redness" when I write the word "red" on it, because that's silly, and because if it did we would all have to start treating pieces of paper very differently.

I always vaguely wonder if the people who say that qualia don't exist are themselves just philosophical zombies who don't get that other people aren't. Seems like otherwise you should be able to consider your own experience of qualia and say "it's very unlikely that an abacus would have this."

EDIT: Does this imply a form of panpsychism? Like, is everything conscious, even air and rocks and protons in the vacuum of space? Honestly makes more sense to me.

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