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Correct me if I’ve misunderstood, but your “revision of orthodoxy” appears to rest on your assumption that C = depreciation, which was not Marx’s view. A capitalist doesn't just manage annual costs, their aim is to expand their entire stock of capital. Even if the rate of depreciation were zero, so that a capitalist can reinvest all of their profits and their capital stock increases by that amount, it’s possible that it might take 1 year of profits to double that capital stock, or it might take 100 years. That makes a big difference for the capitalist. For Marx, capital is self-expanding value — if there’s no such thing as a total value of capital, the entire concept of "self-expanding value" doesn’t make sense.

If I have an advanced robot factory that maintains itself so that the rate of depreciation is zero, and it can also produce more year-on-year, than according to you (as far as I can tell), the rate of profit will take off to infinity, whereas according to Marx it will go to zero. This limiting case shows that your theory is giving up on some of the core revolutionary implications of the falling rate of profit. When the Sam Altmans talk about AI producing infinite value, they implicitly assume that an increase in productivity automatically brings about an increase in profit. They don’t realize that production under capitalism also has social preconditions and not only technical ones. The Marxist can answer that by introducing these more productive technologies, they will actually drive the average rate of profit down and further destabilize the capitalist system. Is this not your view?

Your other key claim is that the investment rate is a “free historical value,” ie. the capitalist class can choose to divert profits from investment into their own consumption. You argue that a “general political coalition” that curbs the competition inherent in the capitalist market can keep the investment rate artificially low. This, you say, is itself an outcome of the falling profit rate: the capitalists lower investment rates and increase consumption, which you argue

stalls growth but also suspends the decline of the rate of profit. You call this “destroying the logic of capital,” and you say it has been successful. Hence, you say there’s “a contradiction in Marx's predictions” because the falling rate of profit can be counteracted by the self-preservation instincts of monopoly capitalists.

I think this is wrong - first, because the investment rate is not a free variable. It is impossible to eliminate competition from the capitalist market. Rather than the lower investment rate being a means of counteracting the falling profit rate, it is a symptom of it. Second, because lowered investment cannot stop the falling rate of profit. Your argument is that as the rate of investment stalls, the rate of depreciation stalls also, so the profit rate levels out. For Marx, even if the rate of investment stalls, as long as net investment (subtracting out depreciation) is greater than zero, constant capital will keep increasing in size, which means the decline in the profit rate will slow but not stop altogether. The only way to escape this is through the destruction of capital stock (e.g. through war), or for the growth of the productive forces to grind to a halt.

Is the empirical evidence that capital has agreed to stop replacing living labor with dead labor? No, the opposite! The capitalists see automation as a panacea that will extricate them from their troubles.

It is certainly true that as the profit rate falls, and the capitalists no longer get a good return on investment, they increasingly turn to financial speculation, debt, etc, which represents a decline of productive investment. The diversion of resources into capitalist consumption signifies that the capitalist class, which has always had the dual role of a class of parasites on the social product and the managers of its growth, becomes a class of parasites pure and simple; and that the social relations of production on which capitalism depends have become an “integument” to the further growth of the productive forces, which must be smashed through social revolution. In other words, we should draw revolutionary conclusions from this state of affairs, whereas you suggest that the “logic of capitalism” i.e. of its breakdown, can be indefinitely suspended by the subjective decisions of the capitalists. The parasitizing and plundering of the productive process can’t be sustained indefinitely, the use of debt is only a temporary remedy that will eventually fail.

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